Some of you may be already familiar with updated information regarding to the new CU3ER version and theme/template usage licensing. If you are not, please found related topic here.
License info
Starting from February 1st. 2010, using CU3ER in commercial web templates/themes intended for re-selling to third parties, require obtaining license for fee of $990 USD per theme/template.
Here are couple of notes you should have on mind if you want to use CU3ER in web templates/themes intended for reselling to third parties:
- License fee for usage and distributing CU3ER v0.9.2 in web templates/themes after February 1st, 2010 is USD 990.00 per template. Price is referring to v0.9.2 usage and distribution, and license fee is subject to change once CU3ER v1 is released.
- For all web templates/themes already in marketplaces and those which will appear prior to February 1st, 2010. license is free.
- License is valid for all 0.9.x and 1.x version releases.
- There will not be additional license fee for templates already using CU3ER v0.9.2 and upgrading to v1.
- Including CU3ER’s end user license agreement file within CU3ER related files is mandatory.
- Selling CU3ER as standalone application is not allowed.
- There should not be any limitations/restrictions in web templates/themes regarding to CU3ER implementation and/or configuration, which will require additional fee for making CU3ER fully functional from your end.
- All others restrictions in current license not mentioned and/or updated here apply to this license as well.
Obtaining this license you are qualified to:
- Embed/use CU3ER in 1 (one) of your web theme/template intended for selling to third parties
- Distribute CU3ER and all related files within your downloadable theme/template package
- Get 1 (one) free premium account for theme/template author including usage of our brand new CU3ER manager application for developing and configuring CU3ER once v1 is out
- Get 1 (one) free premium account for theme/template unique buyer if you are selling your theme/template for unique price as well (meaning, once third party buys theme/template for unique price that person become unique owner of that design and that theme/template is permanently removed from marketplace and is not available to other customers ever again.)
- update to CU3ER v1.x without charge – no additional fees.
For all further inquiries regards to obtaining license, please contact us via cu3er [at] progressivered . com
About CU3ER usage
CU3ER is very specific solution and it’s not applicable in most cases. Yes, it’s true. CU3ER is designed in mind to be unique solution, not to be king-of-the-all-slideshows. We will keep insisting on this, as we did from the first day of CU3ER appearance, because we are strong believers in quality over quantity. Also, based on our experience (and others creative folks out there) our beliefs are that quality will always be recognized! Thus we would like to see more quality templates associated with CU3ER making them stand out even more from the rest – CU3ER can definitely help in that achievement.
CU3ER facts
15 weeks old, 180K+ absolute unique visitors, 800K pageviews, 40K+ downloads with $0 campagin started as single tweet!
Thank you all for your interest and support you’ve gave us during this last 3 months. We are definitely encouraged to make CU3ER full-featured, well-rounded yet very unique slideshow application.
CU3ER team
$990 is a little too much but is your decision, for me is clear that you want to get rid of CU3ER in Premium Templates.
on the contrary, we would like to ensure that authors really understand the potential of implementing CU3ER and benefits they get using such a solution. As being said, CU3ER is specific solution and it requires specific treatment. Anyone who can perceive that will seize the benefits CU3ER offering also.
thanks.
i really think you are shooting yourself in the foot with this price. This price is I believe the highest in all of wordpress and honestly with the logo and branding on it its just not worth that much. And thats just for a template author, I can tell you from a designers standpoint I do web design work and customizations for high end clients who cu3er would be perfect for their websites and projects but Im not giving you 990.00 a design, thats typically 1/4th to 50% of what im paid on the project.
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Hi Mel,
thank you for your interest in CU3ER.
I guess you’ve misunderstood the point of this license. Please take a look at current CU3ER license, where among others terms, following is stated: “You may deploy SWF containing CU3ER as part of hired work for a third party as long as the SWF is unique to said party and not replicated / resold / redistributed as part of a template, application or service to additional parties.” Thus being said, if you created template/theme (with CU3ER deployed) for reselling to number of third parties, you will require license. Hope that make sense. If not please let me know what part in license is confusing you.
Thanks.
Ok great, I wasn’t sure if that license was still applicable or maybe i just missed it.
Having said that i don’t mind paying for the plugin on a branding free option, the last thing I want to use is a slider that loads up with a 3rd party logo. None of my clients will go for that as they pay thousands for their design work. If you can come up with a branding free option for cost of course I’d be happy to pay for it (as long as its not a really high amount)
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Will you be offering a branding free version?
CU3ER v1 will definitely have brand removing option! Please stay in touch for future updates about enhanced and cool-new-features-bloated CU3ER v1. ;) thanks.
What happens to the cu3er wordpress plugin – Cu3er Post Elements. Will that be changing to a paid plugin?
Hi Dan,
we haven’t released any official CU3ER plugin so far and we are not related, nor support, available CU3ER plugins/modules/extensions. However, any kind of product designed to support CU3ER v0.9.2 implementation and configuration MUST STAY FREE, otherwise will require special license.
Thanks.
Hi guys! I think this is a good move on your part. If it kept going the way it was, pretty soon it would lose it’s coolness and that’s just not cool. :P
We share your point of view! thanks.
Not only have you shot yourself in the foot, but at themeforest you have made it a point to police the site and scream at people in comments. And by you doing that you are saying HEY my company/product is smarter then the admins at themeforest , becuase you are doing the job they are to do.
You look like a a$$, you are stepping on peoples toes who you should not, and you think you are above everyone else, because you wont even let anyone do their jobs, you think you can do it.
So have fun, lets see where you are at in 2011, because you wont survive 2010 by keeping up the attitude you have right now.
I’m surprised themeforest has not said anything to you yet, because they are very very good with copyright issues and other issues, yet you seem to need to be better then them and go complain any chance you can.
Have a good year you jacka$$
Keep your fingers crossed, Jr. We will try to make 2010 the best year for us and we wish the same for you as well! Thank you for your comment.
good luck guys, most people using cuber in templates barely sell your $990 licensing fee
While I feel the fee is a bit high is nice to see you guys do something to protect your product. CU3ER was starting to show up in some sketchy looking templates that were really little more than CU3ER alone wrapped in an ugly header/footer.
Can’t wait to see what you guys do next!
Is the source included if I pay $990 or only the swf file?
How will I pay?
You said “we”. Which we? is this cuer project a one man only or there is a team behind it?
Good move, I was noticing too many crappy templates who put this on and make money just because this was on it. Maybe jr above was one of those designers who relied on this to sell his templates. And is too cheap now to pay for a license.
Hi,
Well I agree that the cost might be little over the top, however they also must make money as well. See nobody does this kind of work free of charge. CU3ER is unique, no doubt about that, however what I would like to know is this.
Let’s say that I develop a WordPress Theme right? and I want to use this plugin http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/cu3er-post-elements/ which does include everything that I need to make great effects and let’s also say that my Theme is going to be commercial, will still have to pay $990 per each WordPress Theme or not.
Thanks, I really appreciate your hard work and please keep it up.
Emil – Chicago
PS I see that you’re from Novi Sad, been there many times, actually I use to live in Subotica many years ago.
@ Emil, I am not against paying a licensing fee… I mean honestly, if you look at Flow Player… that’s like the best open source player out there at the moment with full support, plug-ins etc. and they charge you a fair licensing fee of $99 per domain. I happily paid them for it, but $990, is just way too much. I am not opposed to paying a fee, as long as it’s not asking for an arm and a leg.
Hi Emil,
if your wp theme is intended to re-selling you will need to purchase license. Otherwise, if you creating wp theme for one client and it will be unique for that client site only, you don’t need license.
Thanks man!
pozdrav ;)
Youch… $990, yeah I have some plants in my backyard that grow money instead of flowers…LOL!
@Anon, not sure what to tell you, it’s not mine to set that price :( I do agree that the price is little to high, however let’s say that you develop a website and the selling point was the CU3ER and you got 5K for it, would you mind paying that $990?
We all must see the things little differently, this price is not good for us if we’re making $75 per each site sold, however if you are making custom sites, for a client that doesn’t ask how much is it, as long as the design looks sleek, $990 is nothing, even if you have to pay it per each design.
Another option. Don’t buy before you sell your product, in that case you will have the money to pay for the license and still make some for you, this is how I would handle the situation and that is my personal opinion only.
As is right now, the price is high for what I need, if there is a client down the road who needs something similar to CU3ER and ready to pay, I would not hesitate to pay that $990.
Thanks,
Emil
Hey guys,
thank you for your opinion here! However, I’m not sure some of understand this license completly.
You may deploy SWFs containing CU3ER as part of hired work for a third party as long as the SWF is unique to said party and not replicated / resold / redistributed as part of a template, application or service to additional parties. Meaning, if you have client who wants to have CU3ER on their site, you are free to use it as long as your work is unique to that client only. However, if you are creating template for selling it to additional third parties (reselling the same template) you will need to purchase license.
Please take a look at CU3ER license license.
Thanks.
Thanks for clearing the license.
Then this FREE license should also apply if I (my company, I’m a flash developer) use Cu3er in different websites for different clients (all will be unique & clients will not be reselling those websites) ??
Yes, under that circumstances, you can use CU3ER v0.9.2 version free of charge :)
Thanks.
Great, thanks.
It’s really hard to keep-up with Flash these days, thanks for making it easy.
Looking at your portfolio, I’m really impressed.
I’d love to learn some flash tricks from you; if there’s a blog of you, some tutorials; please let me know.
Thanks.
That does sound much better, I didn’t understand at first, but now I know.
Thanks Novi Sad, I appreciate your feedback.
Emil
Hi all,
There seems to be a lot of confusion over the cost of Cu3er, but unless I’m missing something it’s really quite simple.
If you are creating a template which you intend to resell multiple times, then you must pay a license fee of $990 per template. For any other use, it is currently free (including personal sites, one-off development projects, etc).
It still seems a tad steep but if you are reselling the template over and over, I daresay a good design could make the cost up fairly quickly. Bit of a risk to the developer of course… you have to sell $990 worth of that template before you make a penny.
Nevertheless, I think that it’s incredibly generous that other uses are still free, it’s a great little util.
Looking forward to 1.0, especially with the GUI.
Dave
Good move!
When a great plug in like this gets overused it starts to look cheesy. I don’t sell commercial templates but I will happily pay the $990 for an unbranded version to implement on my clients sites and make the money back on the first job.
Note sure about your motives here… is your business model to stop a glut of templates using CLU3ER in its tracks or to make money for yourself? If the former – your new licence fee of $990 will do that! If the latter, you are unlikely to sell many via template designers because they would have to sell an awful lot of CU3ER designs to just break even, never mind make any money.
To back chat statement up I did a bit of research on ThemeForest to see if it is a worth it for a new designer on Theme Forest to embed CU3ER in a new WP theme now that the price is set at $990.
Here is the result of my research. A new seller would have to make $2470 worth of WordPress theme sales to make $990 commission as ThemeForest keeps around 60% at this level. Break even points are as follows:
WP themes on ThemeForest are priced at between $12 and $47. With CU3ER licences themes the breakeven number of sales point is as follows:
5% are priced under $17 with a handful of sales. To break even at $17 you’d need to sell 145 times
15% are priced at £22 with most selling under 50. To break even at $22 you’d need to sell 112 times
55% are priced at £27 with most selling under 100. To break even at $27 you’d need to sell 92 times
20% are priced at £32 with a few selling over 100. To break even at $32 you’d need to sell 77 times
5% are priced over £37 with a few selling over 250. To break even at $37 you’d need to sell 67 times
I am a custom web designer at http://www.1LG.com and use sites like ThemeForest purely for inspiration and whilst I can see a handful of designs being sold several hundred times over, I cannot see how most of the designers actually make any money in comparison to the number of hours they put into each design.
Food for thought?
Sorry about earlier post – i put £ signs in a couple times in error (I’m in thet UK : ( All figures should be $ USD dollar signs.
$990 is an absolutely ridiculous price !!! I understand that you see template designers making lots of $$$ off of CU3ER and you rightly deserve to start receiving a piece of that, but good Marketing sense would tell you that you need to start with a more reasonable number to prevent people seeking a different option entirely. My advice would be to start with an introductory price of $199 or $299 to just get people used to paying you, and then work your way up with each new release. This is a similar price that most would expect to pay for a new software that lets them iterate multiple times (like an Adobe software product). I think you are going to see a massive fall-off of usage of your product based on your bad decision.
ps. Since a lot of your product is built on top of / built using GreenSock’s TweenMax, how much of that $900 per sale are you planning on sharing with them?
Hi Kurt,
thank you for your comment… we will keep on mind your observation. Regarding to your TweenMax concerns, we have purchaced and obtained appropriate TweenMax license for commercial usage.
Thanks.
Hi,
Thanks for your excelent tool.
Could you please inform if you are preparing a new cu3er module for joomla users ?
Many thanks
Leonel
@Leonel: yeah there are 2 free modules: JV Cu3er (content slideshow) and Vinaorao Cu3er (images slideshow) http://www.google.com/search?q=cu3er+3d&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Your development is awesome. Keep up the good work
hi. i am new in your Cu3er, is Cu3er free 4 blogger template? and how to make it working for my photo collection?
your input please…
Well same as everybody else I think you shot yourself in both feets and Piecemaker validates my point entirely.
Free as in beer, full sources and even more polished.
Haha this is great, i was just stating how easy it is to make and somebody already did it. Once again, bad move on behalf of a great software. But good luck none the less
I agree with a lot of the people here regarding. From a web developers point of view, it is cheaper to create a custom slider.
After seeing the code and checking out all the files, this is a two hour job. Charging $990 for 2 hours of work over and over sounds absurd however i have to agree that it is quiet amazing if you guys turn millions over this.
Good luck and for those who are on themeforest reselling, contact developers who know what they are doing and they will charge you a quarter of that price to make a custom one.
$990? Is this a joke? Is it April Fools Day?
You’re ALL on drugs.
haha, thank you for your replay! No… we don’t do drugs! :)
$990? cool!
So, if I want to use it in template design such as project .psd template for example should I buy a license or is is only went I embed in my web site template?
Hi, license refers only to WEB templates – websites/templates with actual code. You can design PSD template with CU3ER in mind for which license is not required.
Thanks.
Is there a license requirement/ restriction for using cuber on free templates ( not for sale ) .
Clearly most of the people posting these negative comments regarding the $990 licensing fee aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer! People I’TS SIMPLE!!!
EXAMPLE:
If you charge a client, that’s (1) client, $3000 to design their site, you can use Cu3r FREE OF CHARGE!!! However, you you make a template using the plugin specifically FOR RESELL PURPOSES…meaning you will sell the same template SEVERAL times to MULTIPLE CLIENTS, you are required to pay the $990 licensing fee.
WHY?
Obviously, this slick Cu3er addition to any template will add value and allow you to potentially resell the same template more oftent thanm not having it.
THE MATH:
You pay $990 license fee to include Cu3er in your template. You join Themeforest and sell 100 copies of this same template at, $35 a pop. That’s $3500 dollars you make from (1) template design. Minus the $990 for cu3er and you still make $2510. Not bad if you ask me!!!!
I was planning to use Cu3er in an upcoming theme release but definitely won’t be touching it EVER at $990 per theme. Perhaps if it were $200 or so, then I would probably include it as an option in every theme, because I know I would make that money back. No sense in adding an overexposed flash slideshow when it’s going to cost almost $1,000 to do so.
Instead, I’ll just add support for the Cu3er WordPress plugin, add it to the theme demo, then direct my buyers to WordPress.org to download and install the plugin, which will then integrate perfectly into the theme. In addition, they will receive updates to the Cu3er plugin, so we won’t need to update the theme for new Cu3er releases.
I think that actually works out better anyway.
Hi Chris,
including CU3ER in your theme demo will be treated as the same as using CU3ER in commercial templates (whatever CU3ER is in your downloadable package or not; and no matter if you embed CU3ER via plugin or on your own) thus obtaining CU3ER license is required.
For all further questions please contact us, we will be glad to help.
Thanks.
Hi Stefan,
Firstly, I do agree with some people about this point: $990 is little to high. I think $199 is good for both of us (you and we).
Cu3er 3D is amazing but your price is not good. I tried to google and found Piecemaker ( http://www.modularweb.net/piecemaker ) maybe at the moment, it’s not better than cu3er 3D but it’s an open source project. Yeah it’s absolutely free!
Secondly, I still confuse over your license. We have build and released a free module (extension) for Joomla Community. I have 2 questions for you:
1. Could you please confirm we don’t need a license for that module?
2. If we are showing that module in our template then we must purchase your license, right ?
Thanks.
Hi,
License is required for any web template that is reselling to third parties or third party is charged for access and usage of web template. How CU3ER is embedded in that template, via plugin/module/extension or hard coded is not the subject of current license.
Thanks.
Hi everybody,
I see the cu3er the first time. At first: I have no experience with flash or something else.
but i would use the cu3er. but how? I try to use that, but it doesn´t function.
I need a step to step help.
Thanks a lot.,
greets,
steffen
Thank for this cu3er flash.
i has been trying to use this flash in wordpress but it couldn’t work. so i would kindly request u how to use in wordprss.
Thank U
Piecemaker blatantly ripped your work, and shame on them, Im getting the feeling its because of this kind of piracy that you have decided to put a high price on template resellers so they stop profiting off your work without any kind of donation or help back to Cu3er.
All I hope is all this negativity from users has not put off development for V1 because it looks amazing from the demo vids, I so badly want this released.
How much longer until the release?
Regards
Tobes
Thank you all for your comments, critic & support!
Nothing left to say here thus we are closing this topic for good.
Exciting time is ahead of us and we are hoping some of you will enjoy with us too.
Good Luck to all of you guys!
Stefan